Gurudeva Kabe Tava Karuna-prakase with Explanation

Bhajans | May 16, 2016 |

English; Mayapur, West Bengal, India

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I would like to ask for clarification of one subject, namely, Krishna's "assuming" different forms. In one of the classes that had been uploaded on the bvks.com you spoke about the Lord not "assuming" the form, as far as I remember, you made the point that these forms of the Lord do exist eternally and that the forms of the material world are the "copies" and not the other way round. You also made the point that the word "assume" should probably not be used in the verse.

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