Reply to Dhanurdhara Swami's critique of M&M

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A.) What is meant by acala? Some say that it means that the jiva is immovable in the body. Others say that it means that the jiva never leaves the spiritual world.

B.) Does the jiva actually fall down into the material world or he remains in the spiritual world? Is he mechanically moved or it is just an illusion?

i.) I cannot understand how the jiva is simultaneously situated both in the material and spiritual worlds.
ii.) If in the material world the jiva turns away from Krsna, what does he do in the spiritual world at the same time?
iii.) What does it mean that the jiva does not fall if he really falls down?

 

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