Values of The Western World Are Opposite to Values of Krsna Consciousness

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Question: Could you please elaborate on the purport and quote below, especially on how all of these qualities, especially envy, can be properly used for the Lord or His devotee? Usually we hear that envy cannot be engaged but given up.… Expand>

Question:

Could you please elaborate on the purport and quote below, especially on how all of these qualities, especially envy, can be properly used for the Lord or His devotee? Usually we hear that envy cannot be engaged but given up.

"Srila Narottama dasa Thakura has sung in his Prema-Bhakti-candrika, 'krodha' bhakta-dvesi jane: anger should be used to punish a demon who is envious of devotees. Kama, krodha, lobha, moha, mada and matsarya—lust, anger, greed, illusion, pride and envy—all have their proper use for the Supreme Personality of Godhead and His devotee."

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