Guest (1): She is also doing that japa. And while this mala, doing mala, and doing the japa, the mind doesn't remain fixed in God. You know, it wanders about. So what is the way of fixing the mind?

Prabhupada: To hear. "Hare Krsna." Chant and hear.

Guest (1): Speak loudly.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Guest (2) [Indian lady]: Speak loudly but still the mind goes away here and there.

Prabhupada: Then that is called abhyasa-yoga-yuktena cetasa nanya-gamina [Bg. 8.8]. That you have to practice. [Hindi] We have got a sankhya, that "You must perform so many times." It doesn't matter what is… Then gradually, [Hindi]. This is the only… harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha [Cc. Adi 17.21] [Hindi] So we have to follow. And actually it is becoming effective.

Guest (2): I think it takes many births to have the effect. Many births to have the effect.

Prabhupada: No, you can have immediately, provided you follow the rules and regulation. That's all. Not many births. Immediately. Tat-ksanat. Susrusubhis tat-ksanat, in the Bhagavata it is said. Isvarah sadyo hrdy avarudhyate susrusubhis tat-ksanat [SB 1.1.2]. The tat-ksanat means immediately. But one must very eager.

Morning Walk — December 21, 1973, Los Angeles