Brahmananda: We do not really understand how demoniac, how calculating, our leaders are. We have the impression, because we are taught from the very beginning in the schools, that the leaders are to be worshiped, that their birthdays are to be celebrated. It is difficult to come to that understanding, that actually, those who are the leaders are not to be trusted.

Prabhupada: Yes, leaders means government men. That is described. They are all thieves and rogues, anywhere. Dasyu-dharmabhih. Dasyu. Dasyu means plunderers, rogues. Unless you become a rogue you cannot go to the government. You cannot… Any honest man cannot stay with these government men. That is not possible at the present age. Any government. Unless… Just like first-class rogue, your Nixon, he became the president. Because he was a first-class rogue, he became the president. So unless you are first-class rogue, you cannot stay within the circle of government men. Rajanya dasyu-dharmabhih. And their business will be to eat up the vital force of the people.

Morning Walk — March 11, 1975, London