Prabhupada: Yes. Karma-yogi means one who does everything for Krsna. He's karma-yogi.

Indian man (1): One who does everything for…?

Prabhupada: For Krsna.

Indian man (1): For Krsna.

Prabhupada: Just like you are doing some work. For whom you are doing?

Indian man (1): For my own benefit.

Prabhupada: That's all. That is karma. But when you do the same thing for Krsna, that is karma-yoga.

Indian man (1): But if you do it for others, for Krsna, for Krsna's…

Prabhupada: Others… Others means… That is also a humbug. You cannot do anything for others. You do everything for yourself. That is a false propaganda. That is humbugism. So either you can do for yourself or for Krsna. That's all. [break] …become a slogan nowadays. Nobody does for others. "For others," "For the poor," these are all humbug.

Indian man (1): You see people are doing so many hospitals, that is for others?

Prabhupada: Yes. That is also punya-karma.

Indian man (1): Helping these temples, hospitals…?

Prabhupada: Yes. Temple construction is different from hospital construction. That is for Krsna.

Indian man (1): But suppose somebody's doing hospitals. Is it not for others?

Prabhupada: Yes. But how many you can give shelter? A few. There are so many suffering people. You cannot provide hospital for all of them. The hospitals are increasing, and the disease also increasing.

Indian man (1): No, as you say that doing for others is humbug.

Prabhupada: No, no. Humbug means he cannot do it. He cannot do it. He can do to his satisfaction only. That is also for his satisfaction. Because by opening hospital, you cannot stop disease. That is not possible. Then what you are doing for the others? That is for your satisfaction. Try to understand. Because you cannot do anything, but still, you are wasting your time. That is for your satisfaction.

Indian man (1): Naturally for myself.

Prabhupada: Yes. [aside:] Hare Krsna. You cannot do anything. The hospitals are increasing, beds are increasing, and the diseases are increasing. Then what can you do?

Indian man (1): We can do our own satisfaction.

Prabhupada: That's all. [break] …done not meant for Krsna, that is for his own satisfaction. Just like Arjuna wanted to become nonviolent: "No, no, Krsna. I cannot kill my kinsmen." That is a good proposal. But that was his satisfaction.

Indian man (1): That is very correct.

Prabhupada: Yes. That was his satisfaction. But Krsna wanted that "You must fight." And when he agreed to that, that is his perfection. Before that, he was trying to satisfy he.

Indian man (1): Yes. When he surrendered to Krsna, that was his…

Prabhupada: Yes, that is the only purpose of life. Anything that is done, that is useless waste of time. Therefore Krsna particularly said, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vra… [Bg. 18.66]. That ekam. You try to satisfy Krsna only. That will give you perfection. Otherwise your own satisfaction, that's all.

Indian man (1): Yes, very correct, very correct.

Prabhupada: Whatever you do, that is your satisfaction. That is karma.

Indian man (1): But not yogi.

Prabhupada: No, karma. [break] …for your own sense satisfaction, that is karma. And if you do it for Krsna's satisfaction, that is karma-yoga.

Morning Walk — April 1, 1974, Bombay