(Nairobi, 28 Oct 1975)

Indian man (4): So can you show me something about that visva-svarupa?

Prabhupada: You ask me? So am I Krsna? Why you are asking foolishly? That means you do not know Krsna. You are thinking me as Krsna. That you are foolish man.

Indian man (4): No, I am not calling you are Krsna.

Prabhupada: Then why you are asking to show visva-rupa?

Indian man (4): Visva-svarupa, because Krsna…

Prabhupada: Visva-svarupa will be shown by Krsna, not by not-Krsna. I am not Krsna.

Indian man (4): No, I am not saying you are Krsna. But you have said you are something about the…

Prabhupada: I am Krsna’s servant. What Krsna says, I am carrying. That’s all. That is my position. I am peon. When the peon delivers one thousand rupees or shillings to you, it is not his money. The money is paid by somebody, but I honestly deliver to you. That’s all.

Indian man (4): But Krsna has not given you power as guru?

Prabhupada: Yes, yes.

Indian man (4): So you can show?

Prabhupada: So I am not so powerful that I can show the visva-rupa. He has given me this power, that “You go and speak to the foolish rascals that I [Krsna] am Bhagavan,” that much power. Yes. That is my power. I can say to you that “Krsna is Bhagavan.” That’s all. I never become equal to Krsna.