Tamala Krsna: Dr. Kapoor was there this morning. I was not there during the part where he spoke, but apparently he spoke some Mayavadi philosophy, this Dr. O.B.L. Kapoor.

Gurukrpa: He said that everything is made of molecules, and molecules are invisible; therefore actually everything is invisible. Therefore everything is like a dream; everything is unreal. [laughter]

Bhagavan: He was preaching the philosophy that this material world is false. He was getting up there and saying that actually this table does not exist. [laughs] Nothing actually exists. He said the table is made of molecules, and the molecules are invisible. Therefore the table is also invisible.

Tamala Krsna: This is the result of all of his years of study in order to write his book. He’s become a Mayavadi. Or at least his… Madhava dasa, our Madhava dasa, he got up and completely defeated him.

Gurukrpa: If everything is invisible, then he should also become invisible.

Tamala Krsna: Acyutananda Maharaja said, “Then someone should have got up and said, ‘Then why are you speaking if it is all a dream? Why are you even talking? Then your talking is also a dream, so why not sit down?'”

Bhavananda: He said, “If everything is invisible, then how about me taking this invisible chair and smashing it over your invisible head?”

Tamala Krsna: [laughing] Doctor Kapoor is really something.

Prabhupada: He has become Mayavadi.

Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada. [laughter] Does that sound possible? It sounds possible, doesn’t it? Yes.

Gurukrpa: He said before he met His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta that he was a Mayavadi. Now he’s still a Mayavadi.

Tamala Krsna: Well, he gave up his… He became part of this Nitai-Gaura-Radhe-Syama group. And how genuine could he be to do that? Anyway, no one took him very seriously.

Room Conversation – October 14, 1977, Vrndavana