Ramesvara: They have given too much power to the people, so the people demand so many things.

Prabhupada: Therefore they’re suffering. Ordinary people, what they’ll do? Anarthas. Actually it is anartha. They have created so many things.

Ramesvara: They are very much afraid if we close down the gambling houses and the prostitution houses that there will be no more enjoyment. Life will be boring.

Prabhupada: “What we’ll do?” (laughter) So we shall give you opportunity to chant Hare Krsna and dance here. What is this nonsense?

January 11, 1977: Conversation